Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. No permits needed, no interference from the State. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. Consider this, if everyone carried a weapon in condition 3, how many mass shootings would there be? But do suggest they make more of them and lower the price for us plebes. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. Sounds a lot like a problem created by attorneys to have something to sue over, doesnt it? It is a DAO and . Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. One other one was very tragic. Second, they also trained. If you were to compile a list of incidents of the GLOCK ND and start reading through them, youll find that in virtually every single instance, human error was the culprit. Carrying any weapon with nothing in the chamber is carrying an unloaded weapon. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. He thinks. I carry a LC9, no problem. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. I'm not exactly a diehard with pistol-caliber carbines but I definitely enjoy them. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. If youre going to pocket carry, get a pocket holster. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. I am thinking G2S, my ankle sometimes gets chilly, but, Im happy with my PA-63 In 918, and I have a CZ, in 918, that has the best SA trigger Ive ever felt, since the Smith S.S. Model 66, .357 which was accurized, and tweaked by a smith, that was flat out dangerous, hair wasnt the word. But thats good. What is the I.33 for humidor and candle or Grndtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens for bananas?;-). Usually for at least an hour or so. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. Whats the controversy? It's offered in a wide range of cartridges, from .22LR to the .357 Magnum. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. On Firefox for my Linux machine it even goes right to the place on the page I was when I saved. Am I being silly? What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. . Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Apparently the last time it worked. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. I will still carry unchambered. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. Gunfights can happen that fast. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. Why, I havent the slightest idea. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. If the slide goes back far enough to be out of battery, then the gun will just fire out of battery. Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . But carry the way you feel comfortable. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. Do you, punk? I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. . Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. But my Glock has an empty chamber. Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Pray the gay away gov. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. You learned something. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. You just have to scroll down to it. Same here. Despite its . However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. And I dont want to have to think about anything. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. So were really talking only about safe carry and capacity, as the first shot fired will be from the NEXT chamber. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. Conceal. My Taurus G2C is DAO, restrike, and no mag safety. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. What I want then is a big bang noise when I pull the trigger, and not much else. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. silly? Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One common question among Glock owners is whether or not they can shoot aluminum cased ammunition in their . If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? You've only seen one page. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? Only ONE centerfire pistol? All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. They didnt know. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. Thank you very much. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. Unlikely. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. As stated above, Glocks are safe. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. The Series 80 was a solution in search of a problem ie, it was created by lawyers. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. I am pretty tired of people telling me how to handle my weapons. And you should be, too. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Being a klutz is one thing. Yes. . Heres how all of this bogus started. Barrel: 4.5. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. Boy, that must be realllll nice. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. I carry a single action 1911. I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. Are you my mother? This is not remotely comparable to carrying a semiauto with an empty chamber, where the slide must be racked to make the gun ready to fire. Length: 7.3. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. I think it's more about . "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/ I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? Your family is worth it. No thanks. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. I have four. Save Share. the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Thats not a very fresh idea. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. . The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. the safety doesnt enter into it. The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. And thats only firearms. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. Perhaps you could write one yourself even. I carry all my guns chambered. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. Nope. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Correct. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Yes. On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. or not. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. In some cases it's not legal. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities.