But flex them next to one another and youll begin to understand why they behave very differently on snow. The atris (184) and the rustler 11(188) are on my radar to replace my 1ste generation soul 7's (180). It's on the list, but we haven't gotten on it yet. If she's done growing, I think that high 140's range is the place to be, but if you're looking for something to grow into, there's certainly nothing wrong with the Pearl 88 in the 152. Have you gotten the 2019 Corvus? I'd love to get the Atris, but realistically I spend far more time on ice/slush than powder (2 trips a year, early Jan and March). Thats a bold claim, considering what happened to the Titanic, but with its 122 mm waist width, theyre probably right. my comparison of the Corvus vs. the Corvus Freebird, Jonathan Ellsworth, Editor-in-Chief, Blister. Thanks for this, I am looking to get the odd 360 in but definitely not all the time Will be taking touring but not too concerned about the weight as it wont be my main use and im 100kg+ so its not as big of a deal(at least I hope not lol) I am based in Australia so the majority of the stuff Ill be doing will be pretty icy and hard so Ive gone and bout the Corvus. With the Kore, I actually found the 99 to be my favorite, while I couldn't quite get a good handle on the 93. Hi, Weight is fine, are you thinking they are heavy ? What are your thoughts and suggestions for what ski AND length youd put me on? I like the extra stability on groomers, and with 102mm waist widths, the extra length allows me to use these skis in light powder on those rare East Coast days. Then rocker technology came along, and, long story short, theres way more room for preference and interpretation than ever before. If you're concerned about touring weight, I'd get the freebird version since the corvus feels quite heavy on the feet. SE. Or is the Corvus much burlier, high speed, hard charging GS style only leading me to the Atris? Check the charts below to see which size you need. They might seem similar on paper, but skiing them back to back you quickly notice the differences. Theres no camber in the Corvus. In bumped up piste, the only way to go was fast and swallow the bumps, but again, the Corvus was dependable. Thomas, document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 2021-2022 Blister Winter Buyer's Guide Print Edition. Im very interested in skiing some with reverse camber and it sounds like a good solution for some of the long steep turns I like doing but get chattery on with my poachers. Over the past year or two, weve noticed an increasing interest in Black Crows skis. It sounds like you're looking for a narrower ski however. I've used regular Navis (not freebird) + Shift as a daily driver in Chamonix for the past 2 seasons and been very happy. Hey Jeff, I really enjoy the reviews. Weight: Theres no easy way to say it, but skiers who are carrying around a bit of extra weight should consider staying to the higher side of the scale. On the 193 Corvus now which is too much for me. I just had to learn to trust it. It's not a mega light setup but fine for tours of a few hours and great on the descent. Alex, after having tried the Corvus, I have to agree with your assessment it definitely is a game on ski. Find your street shoe size on the chart, determine men's, women's, or kid's, and find the corresponding Mondo size! We're looking for your Mondo Point size, and the conversion is easy! Finding the proper length ski pole is important as ski poles too long will actually shift your center of balance to behind you, and a pole that's too short will put it in front of you. 5'11", 165 lbs, pretty aggressive skier but also chasing 3 kids around the mountain so like something I can play on as well. I didnt get to try the Ripstick 88 or Black Crows Captis. Finding your Boot Sole Length (BSL) is easy. I ski in Europe, most of the time we are chasing powder but we can encounter all types of snow. While youll still need a final adjustment done before you can ski, providing us with your boot sole length is absolutely crucial if youd like us to send your skis pre-mounted with your bindings. Of course, Black Crows makes more skis than this, so as always, let us know if you have questions about any ski you dont see here. What about the Navis, is it a narrower corvus, or also more forgiving? Talk to a Skier: href='/Chairlift-Chat/DPS-Phantom-2-Wax-System-Explanation'. The Navis can pivot and smear too, but it has a different feel with more rebound than the Camox. Out West, where things are a bit more open, its not uncommon to see skiers on skis much taller than themselves. The sport where you strap two boards to your feet and point them down the mountain. Still not the wiser about the 189 atris vs 183 Corvus (stability/playfulness). SE. In this article, well talk about six different skis, all of which are available on SkiEssentials.com. Perfect size! Cross-country pole sizing is easy as well. Shame I didn't have the opportunity to test both those models! Tails: 8-7, If those numbers dont look radically different, well clarify by pointing out that the tips of the Atris are much softer than the Corvus. SE, Hello! Hope that helps! The ski's will be mounted with kingpins. SE, Im an intermediate male, 40, 194cm and 110kgs. Relatively aggressive skiers who like to ski everything the mountain has to offer. Slower edge to edge than the Orb, and not the same torsional stiffness, but what you lose in frontside prowess, it more than makes up for in playfulness and fun-factor for certain skiers. I am same weight/hight as you. Thanks, that's really helpful to get your perspective! It also uses two 120 mm sheets of metal centered around the midsole mark. The 97 mm width and 20 m turn radius feels tremendously versatile, however, a skier with a playful mindset will enjoy taking the Camox literally anywhere on the mountain. That said, the float in powder is awesome. Seems like my kind of ski! I ended up saying fuck it and buying the corvus since I posted this btw. That's okay. Chances are if youre the type of skier who typically skis with a ski-mentor or a friend whos job it is to get you down the mountain. Please keep in mind that ski boots DO NOT come in half-sizes. It also has a whopping 26 m turn radius and a moderate flex profile. If you're holding the right size pole, you'll notice that your elbow forms a perfect 90 degree angle between your bicep and forearm. The Captis, even at my size, was smooth and stable and incredibly quick. The Navis will arc carving turns through choppy snow conditions, and when youre skidding or pivoting turns it does so in a very rhythmic way. For example, East Coast skiers may have visions of skiing wide open powder fields, but the reality is that 9/10 theyll have to navigate tight trees before finding their 100 yard straight shot of glory. You may read the forums as a guest, however you must be a registered member to post. Theres less tail rocker in the Navis, which gives it a more responsive feel on firm snow and a little more edge grip. In variable, slightly refrozen and tracked out, boot deep powder, I could just ride the line I wanted as long as I stayed forward and aggressive. The junior skis are an interesting choice, as the Camox Jr is basically built like an adult ski, with a full wood core. Im about your size and mounted the 178s with the OutlawX. If youre truly an expert skier, you probably know it. Love the Captis! Ok, so maybe not the best, but you certainly could be a contendah, kid. She's an advanced all mountain skier, skis out west, likes speed; skis powder but not a lot of experience in deep powder (comfortable on blacks, double blacks not so much). Preference: Finally, theres preference. I'm drawn to it based on the description of a great groomer in the morning while also being a solid mogul ski as the day progresses. It has much more of a freestyle/freeride feel than a ski like the Orb, and more than the Navis that were going to talk about next as well. Behind the heel piece: 9-8.5 Intermediate: Congratulations! Freestyle-minded big mountain athletes and also just your average skier looking for a super-fun powder ski for their local resort. Both good skis with some performance similarities. Beginner: Chances are youll know if this is you. The Corvus is like having a good, but tough ski instructor/drill sergeant that pushes you to use the right technique and stand over the skis and slightly forward and use your legs. Didn't get to try the navis although that was the model I was looking at before deciding that the wider atris (which I've bought!) Its more of a surfy ski than a carving ski, but most people arent looking for a ski that wants to finish a turn when theyre in deep conditions. What length would you recommend on the Atris? Great idea, we will put it on the list! I thought the Captis was more composed than the Ripstick, which was a bit sad for me because I really wanted to like the Ripstick. The good news is that the all around quality of skis is increasing, making it more possible than ever to find a ski that fits your specific style and preferences. So you can measure yourself, or you can just check out our handy-dandy chart below. Only saw it now. Because ski bindings are so precise, it's crucial to have them mounted to the BSL and not the Mondo Point. If you know youre not an Intermediate skier still, but arent quite confident enough to call yourself an expert, then chances are this is you. Hiya, I've got the 16/17 Atris at 184, 70kg at 175cm so about the same as you. Between the 88, 93, 100, 104, 110, and 115, they all have varying performance, but they all have a very similar feel and build. Update: we are now also getting confirmation that a 188 cm model will be available in the Corvus and Corvus Freebird. A quick note on Black Crows skis in general: Oftentimes a brand has a feel or trend that carries across all their skis, or within a given line of skis. Press J to jump to the feed. This guide is for Alpine Skis. I ski trees and bumps in Telluride and am curious about your thoughts on the 3 skis. ps I also posted a comment on your youtube channel, Hello -- would love to hear your thoughts on the Black Crows Women's Captis Birdie vs. Black Crows Camox Jr. and what size would you recommend? The first word Black Crows uses to describe the Nocta is unsinkable. I've been skiing on the corvus with shifts as my main resort ski for a few season now. Advanced: This might be one of the hardest groups to identify. You might even do some switch skiing too or dabble in the terrain park. Fitting cross country skis is different then fitting alpine skis. They are very similar and feel that way on snow despite the full camber profile of the Corvus. That metal allows you to drive a turn quite aggressively, and the ski will make some big sweeping carving turns with its 21 m turn radius, but subtle design elements in its shape allow for playfulness and maneuverability too. If youve looked all over and still cant find your BSL, its also acceptable to measure along the bottom of the boot from the very tip of the toe, to back of the heel- just make sure you measure in Millimeters! The corvus is bombproof and will hold up in almost any condition, Moment Wildcat 108 will do everything your asking for. If you measure a Men's 8/Mondopoint 26, please select 26.5, for example. It seems like it is similar to the original Cochise, but with a tighter sidecut. And while stable, require you to be deliberate with your movement to make them turn; you have to move the skis because they won't help you. What are your thoughts between the Metal by J-skis and the 2018 Atris? Have fun! I've also got guardians on it, although I haven't had the chance to do short tours on them yet. Who doesn't? Do you have a specific question about a model? You'll immediately notice how stiff and traditional the Corvus feel whereas the Atris is more playful and poppy. But without advertising revenue, we can't keep making this site awesome. Im loving my old, non-rockered Mantra (no rocker, not even in front). Have fun! Its probably too much game on but it is a great teacher! Welcome to the Newschoolers forums! I want something light, playful, and fun that is more for everyday use. Click the link below for instructions on disabling adblock. Is the Corvus this ski? I've changed from a heavier ski/ Marker tour binding set up so they feel light to me. Characteristics of an advanced skier would be: the ability to ski most, if not all trails, an ability to ski fast, regular ability to ski off trail, and more traditionally, the ability to link full carving turns at full speed. Really love your content! Slowing down to play down the bumps, the Corvus just felt sluggish. Ive now spent quite a few days on both skis, across a broad range of conditions. Glancing at the numbers, the Black Crows Atris looks like a twin-tipped version of the Corvus, with only 1 mm difference in width, and near identical length. Expert: Hands down, youre the best skier on the mountain. Demod the Camiox today. My all mountain ski is a DPS Pagoda 100 so I like the idea of the 85 waist on the Vertis to differentiate it from my Pagodamore so than the 88 Orb. Completely flat skis are not for someone that isn't specifically loking for its characteristics. While it doesnt have the power or vibration damping that metal provides, it has a very stable, balanced feel and playful, energetic attitude. Captis Birdie is quick and turny, and has that partial cap build for additional maneuverability. So quick and energetic! They both seem like great options for all mountain powder skiis. Required fields are marked *. Powder is likely the most common reason to adjust your ski size, but other specialties such as ski racing, park skiing, and moguls can all skew what size is proper for you. But Id love more float, so Im looking for something slightly wider and with a front rocker to get more float in the pow. Rather than snowplow your way down blue squares, youre able to use the shape of your skis to make parabolic or carving turns. Its perfectly comfortable ripping a bump line or maneuvering through trees, and it thoroughly enjoys speed on groomers, too. I remember one of my friends who was a ripping tele-er would always insist on having skis with stiff tails. For classic or touring poles, the correct size pole should reach your armpit. A wider, front-rockered version of the old Mantra? I'm 6/2 220, so it's not much of a surprise that I found the tip to be on the soft/flappy side. If you have to ask about it, atris. Prefer groomers. I personally found it handles everything well from quick piste skiing, chopped up stuff and powder. Ski lengths on our chart above will fall somewhere between your nose and eyebrows. These arent to replace my everyday skis I have a pair of k2 poachers which Ill be using for every day stuff, I want something with a bit more of an edge to it for some steeper stuff though and do some bigger drops with a bit more stiffness. Bit of backgorund, the Corvus are about 150 cheaper than the Altis from the shop I want to get them from Im no pro but a decent skier, I quite like steep terrain and get up into the 80kph+ range with out much trouble. If anybody has any tips bout what I should get I would appreciate it:). I had read on Ross Hewitts site that he saw the Corvus as a new version of the old Mantra, just with tip rocker and 10mm extra under foot. It also uses a twin tip shape with a little bit of tail rocker to go along with its tip rocker. The bad news, is that it can be a bit more difficult to do- but thats why were here. The Camox is a bit wider than the Orb, coming in at 97 mm underfoot. On piste, it is noticeable slower edge to edge from the 98mm Mantra. Birdie is the same ski, just a different graphic. No matter what type of terrain youre skiing, you do it with a playful skiing style. I have had the opportunity to ski the new Mantra, and would say that the Atris is more similar to it than the Corvus. Very interesting comparison! The Navis wants to hold on to a turn more than the Camox does, which lets you release your tail edge with ease. I think as an all rounder the extra stiffness in the Navis is worth having if you are using the ski in resort as well as touring. If youre skiing Alta this season, keep your eyes out for local-legend Willie Nelson and youll see first-hand what the Nocta can do. Of course if you don't have ski poles to try this out on, you can always use the chart below. The Brahma will be a bit heavier than that ski, and does fit the main description of being a great groomer ski as well as a solid mogul performer. But it also rewards you when you stay forward and on and if you do, it will be great in challenging conditions. (A pure Corvus review would also be good). Hi Steve! In most cases, this is the right call, but skiers should be geo-conscious before buying more than they can handle. They are great in any type of conditions. Have fun! The Atris then has a deeper tail rocker line than the Corvus, but the more pronounced difference is that the Atris has far more tail splay 46 mm vs. the Corvus 22 mm. Which will be the best pick and which length or will there be wrong pick :-)? This is for my 14 year old daughter. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser.